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Rewatching No Rest for the Wicked

Welcome to “Do Genitals Have a Skeletal System in Hell?: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

  Up today, s3e16: No Rest for the Wicked.

 Dean’s got days now, and the desperation leads the boys to fight over what to try next. Ruby has a plan Dean doesn’t like, and Sam is frustrated (again) by Dean’s refusal to trust her. Meanwhile, Lilith, the demon who reportedly holds Dean’s contract, has possessed a young girl and is using her to torment and kill members of the child’s family. Bobby is able to pinpoint Lilith’s location, and the boys infiltrate the home in an attempt to kill Lilith. They fail. In the final moments before midnight, Dean hears hell hounds. The dogs, invisible to everyone else, rip him to shreds, leaving no doubt that he's dead. The final shots of the episode zoom in through Dean’s sightless eyes, where we see him suspended from meat hooks in what can only be hell, yelling his brother’s name in anguish.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Lor:

 SEASON FINALE RECAP CARRY OOOOON

 Mace:

 YAS

 oh DEAN

  Lor:

 YES

 Lor:

 wow it's like the start of an Arrow season. running through the woods

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA

  Lor:

 oh Dean. if you WILL read horror lore before bed...

 Mace:

 snork

 “let’s never do that"

good boy, Sammy

  Lor:

 YES

(I LOVE THAT THEY FAIL)

 Mace:

 (YEP)

 I love it when Bobby calls them “kid"

  Lor:

 YES

they are his BOYS

 Mace:

 THEY ARE

 INDIANA

WOOT

  Lor:

 "when Bella breathes, the air comes out crooked"

 Mace:

 HA

  Lor:

 poor Dean. he's gonna go to hell for 40 years and when he gets back, Sammy is STILL hanging out after school with Ruby

 Mace:

 “just no” and the way his voice breaks

  Lor:

 YAAAS

 Mace:

 ooof, yeah

  Lor:

 I bet Sam is absolutely going to do what his brother asked him to

 Mace:

 SNORK!!

 Ruby, not everything needs a cutesy nickname

  Lor:

 right?

especially when you occupy space with *the* Dean Winchester, the queen of that

 Mace:

 SNORK

  Lor:

 oh how I enjoy watching Laurel chew on a paper bag and calling it acting

/sarcasm

 Mace:

 HA right?!

 “I knew SAM wouldn’t listen"

  Lor:

 pets him

 dicks don't have spines. generally

 Mace:

 well maybe they do where she’s from

  Lor:

 SNORK

 I LOVE HIM

 Mace:

 you do? really?!

get the smelling salts

  Lor:

I know it truly is shocking

 Mace:

 so shocking

 OH CLEVER BOY

  Lor:

 YAAAS

he's so SMART

 Mace:

 Sammy is looking very lovely today

  Lor:

 he is

 Mace:

 AHA! Dean’s been watching the show

  Lor:

 i'm enjoying Dean's light-colored t-shirt too

 HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH

 Mace:

 YES

 “I totally rehearsed that speech, too"

I want to see that pls

  Lor:

 (I HATE that they try to position 327 as them finally not doing this/breaking this habit of sacrificing for each other when there is NO reason to think they didn't have other options that didn't involve making a bad deal to try first)

  YES

 oh MAN I forgot THIS is in THIS episode

 Mace:

 (YUP)

 oof, yeah, this is rough

 this kid is SO GOOD

  Lor:

 she IS

  Lor:

 is that... plastic?

 Mace:

 Bobby with the ol’ distributer cap trick

  Lor:

 would that be in a 67 impala?

(I am legitimately asking you)

  Lor:

 FAMILY DON'T END IN BLOOD BOY

 Mace:

 i wouldn’t think so but maybe as a replacement part?

 FAMILY DON’T THAT’S RIGHT

  Lor:

 mmm

 Mace:

 OHANA BITCHES

  Lor:

 omg abashed Dean

 DAMN STRAIGHT OHANA BITCHES

 Mace:

 OMGHESSINGING

  Lor:

 YAAAAAAS

 Mace:

 oh dean honey

  Lor:

 omg the way he stops singing

 Mace:

 THE TAILLIGHT IS OUT ON HIS SIDE

ON. HIS. SIDE.

  Lor:

 OF COURSE IT IS

 Mace:

 Mr. Hagar HAHAHAHA

  Lor:

 LOL

 oh honey. his FACE

 Mace:

 YEP

  Lor:

 "so you can see hell's other bitches"

BOBBY

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA

 knives don’t make that sound when they’re cutting cake

  Lor:

 the juxtaposition of the little girl stuff and the horrible stuff is brilliant

 LOL

they don't

 Mace:

 it really is

  Lor:

 Bobby calling Dean son i cannot

 Mace:

 yep

  Lor:

 everybody stop hurting Dean

 Mace:

 yes, he needs to be perfect for the devil dogs

  Lor:

 I was thinking more about alleviating his suffering but SURE MACE

 Mace:

 SNORK!!!

  Lor:

 is something important happening here, bc I might be stuck imagining myself as the dad here in ONLY this scene

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

  Lor:

 I love that the mom catches on immediately

 Mace:

 YES

 “YES YOU ARE” oh BOYS

  Lor:

 I was JUST gonna say that

THEIR FACES

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 YES DEAN he should remember what YOU taught him

 Mace:

 EXACTLY

SCREW JOHN

 oh SAMMY

  Lor:

 HOW does Jensen make like one tiny muscle in his face twitch like that?!

 Mace:

 no idea

 it’s not that pretty [Ed. Lor here. I feel compelled, COMPELLED, I tell you, to note that this was not in reference to Jensen’s face. okay. carry on. (sorry.)]

  Lor:

 it really isn't

 Mace:

 look, i’m concerned about Dean but having him sprawled on the table like that is...distracting

  Lor:

 it REALLY is

 Mace:

 oh SAMMY

  Lor:

 ooooof SAM

 Mace:

 oh Bean

  Lor:

 the zoom into hell through his eye is SO COOL

 Mace:

 it IS

  Lor:

 SAAAAAAAAAAM

 Mace:

 OOOOF

  Lor:

 and the second scream of his name over the credits

 Mace:

 hold on DeanDean, Cas is coming

   Lor:

 YAAAAAAAAAAAS

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Rewatching Mystery Spot

Welcome to “No Breakfast: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s3e11: Mystery Spot.

  The boys are investigating a small town that boasts one of those kitschy, touristy places that claims to defy the laws of physics and such. But when they break into the mystery museum at night, they're confronted by the owner wielding a shotgun and Dean gets shot and killed. And then Sam wakes up to the same Tuesday morning. And then Dean dies. Again. And then Sam wakes up on Tuesday, repeat ad horrendum. They're clearly stuck in a Groundhog Day loop, but who's to blame? Turns out it's the Trickster Who Will Later Be Known as Gabriel, who agrees to let them out of the pattern. But then Dean dies. Again. And Sam is left searching for a way to bring him back and goes deep into a dark place to do so. Lots of brotherly issues here, folks. It's an SPN Special: hilarity followed closely by a powerful gut punch.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Lor:

 bounces

 Mace:

 IT’S TUESDAY, EXCEPT ON A SUNDAY

Lor:

YAAAS

 Mace:

 *SATURDAY

 Lor:

omg I didn't even NOTICE you said the wrong actual day

 Mace:

HAHAHA

 Mace:

Asia ROCKS

 Mace:

 DEAN’S LIP SYNCING

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

YAAAAS

 Lor:

the GARGLING

 Mace:

(I feel like I may be shouting a lot in this ep)

 Mace:

 YAAASSSS

 Lor:

(i'm good with it)

 Mace:

 “this yours?”

 Lor:

SNORK

 Mace:

 annoyed Sammy is annoyed

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 and happy Mace: is happy

 Lor:

pretty sure this EXACT diner is in my hometown

 Mace:

NICE

 Mace:

I love those kinds of places

 Mace:

 so greasy and so good

 Lor:

"shuuuddup"

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 HA

 Lor:

PUPPY

 Mace:

 the GR!!

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

YAS

 Mace:

 THE LORE

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

OMG it IS a desk

 Lor:

(someone on twitter said the "piano" that falls on Dean is actually a desk and I was all NOPE, but it IS)

 Mace:

 HAHAHA IT IS

 Lor:

"wow. uncanny"

 Mace:

 funny how the brain changes it to piano because that’s what Brain expects

 Lor:

YEP

 Mace:

 oh god Dean

 Lor:

Nooooooo

 Mace:

 I mean, we KNOW what happens and STILL it’s awful

 Lor:

YEP

 Lor:

so, let's see, season 3, Sam knows how to call 911 HERE

 Mace:

“not like this” nope, it’ll be rebar, Sammy, IS THAT BETTER?!

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA OMG

 Lor:

HAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

 Mace:

 HEEEEAT OF THE MOMENT

 Lor:

poor Sam

 Mace:

 confused Sammy is confused

 Lor:

I LOVE the way they change things juuuust a little

 Lor:

like the camera angles or who says it's Asia on the radio

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

"clowns or midgets"

 Mace:

Dean has no qualms with Sam being annoyed at him bc Sam NOT being annoyed with him spells something off…

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

"yeah, like deja vu"

 Lor:

"how is that not dej--"

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA “don’t say it!"

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

THE JAW CLENCHING

 Mace:

 this ep does things to me

 Lor:

YAAAAS

 Lor:

TODAY IS TUESDAY TOO

 Mace:

BUT TODAY IS TUESDAY TOO

 Mace:

 AHAHAHA

 Lor:

LOLOLOL

 Lor:

definitely a desk

 Lor:

grumps just a little

 Mace:

Sam won’t say what actually happened because Dean dead is not a thing he wants to talk about for SO many reasons

 Mace:

 HAHAHAH

 Lor:

GAAAAAH

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

NOOOOO

 Mace:

 poor Sammy

 Lor:

HOW do they do that where their eyes are open but they look dead?!

 Mace:

RIGHT?!

 Mace:

 ALL TINGLY

 Lor:

"I get all tingly when you take control like that"

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

omg Sam's SO DONE with the hot sauce

 Mace:

YAS

 Mace:

that ‘so done’ face, though

 Mace:

 ded

 Lor:

YAAS

 Lor:

"I'm not gonna die. Not today"

 Lor:

"and I can't" SAAAAMMY

 Mace:

OOOOF

 Mace:

“whatever this is we’ll figure it out"

 Mace:

 oh big brother Dean

 Lor:

"I still think you're nuts but okay. whatever it is, we'll figure it out"

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

SUCH a good brother

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

omg Sam is annoyed with Dean

 Mace:

DID IT LOOK COOL

 Mace:

 DEAN WINCHESTER

 Lor:

"of course I peed myself. man gets hit by a car, you think he has full control over his bladder?"

 Mace:

 and now he’s starting to get troubled

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

omg Dean's face as the guy is doing his little hand gestures

 Mace:

YES

 Mace:

 “just answer the question” Sam is usually the soft one but not when Dean’s life is on the line

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

"so let's just make sure I don't die"

 Lor:

that's it, that's the season

 Mace:

YEP

 Mace:

 UGH

 Lor:

ACK

 Mace:

 the squelchy sound

 Lor:

I HATE THE SQUISHED DEATH ONE

 Mace:

YEP

 Mace:

 oh Sammy

 Lor:

poor thing

 Mace:

yep

 Mace:

 “if you and I decide I’m not gonna die, I’m not gonna die.” Oh, that one hurts

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Lor:

so, we clearly need to teach Sammy the heimlich maneuver

 Mace:

YEP

 Mace:

 “everybody’s fine"

 Lor:

"everybody's fine"

 Mace:

 OMG

 Lor:

haaaaahahahaha

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

"place is tore up pretty good, dude"

 Mace:

 you ARE a stud baby

 Lor:

"no you give it" OMG

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

haaaaaahahahahaha

 Lor:

"Doris, what i'd like is for you to log in some more hours at the archery range" haaaaaahahahahaha

 Mace:

HAHAHA OMG

 Mace:

 SAM WINCHESTER WEARS MAKEUP

 Lor:

HOW many times did they have to do this before they could do it without cracking each other up

 Mace:

RIGHT?!?!

 Mace:

“no matter what I do, you die"

 Mace:

 HOW did we not see these as signs the first time through?!

 Lor:

right?

 Lor:

LEAST BELIEVABLE thing they ever did, this GR killing him

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA YAS

 Lor:

JUST DESSERTS

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

"man can't choose his own syrup, huh? what have we become?"

 Mace:

HAHAHA

 Mace:

 god I want pancakes now

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Mace:

 with lots of butter and syrup

 Lor:

but NOT with strawberry syrup

 Mace:

 NOPE GROSS

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Mace:

 oh hello Gabe

 Lor:

GAAAAAABE

 Mace:

YAS

 Mace:

“that putz?”

 Mace:

 I love him

 Lor:

"he said he didn't believe in wormholes, so I dropped him in one"

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

"one, yes. it is fun"

 Mace:

“you can’t save your brother”

 Mace:

 AAAAAAAHHHHH

 Lor:

ooooooooofffff

 Lor:

I LOVE the way they make this fun episode tie into the season arc and just kick you in the gut

 Mace:

YEP

 Mace:

 BttF REFERENCE

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

"how many tuesdays did you have?"

 Mace:

YES

 Mace:

 oh I hate this part

 Lor:

"No breakfast." the way he says it so vehemently

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Mace:

YEP

 Mace:

 “not today"

 Lor:

"not today. this isn't supposed to happen today"

 Lor:

GAAAAAHHHHH

 Mace:

 oh SAMMY

 Lor:

OOOOOF

 Lor:

THIS is the part that REALLY gets me. the way he just completely goes off the deep end

 Mace:

 which is what he would do, not just accept the rebar and go on with his life

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Mace:

 sewing himself together dedddd

 Lor:

YAAAAAAAS

 Mace:

 cleaning his gun like Dean

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

omg he sits straight up in bed just like he did every Tuesday when the radio came on

 Mace:

looking in the mirror LIKE DEAN

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 oooh Bobby as trickster

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

oh god Sammy's voice when he says bobby

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

is Gabe's shirt... one of Sam's shirts?

 Mace:

 gabe as trickster as bobby as trickster I LOVE IT

 Lor:

or is it just really similar?

 Mace:

 OOOH YAS

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 omg i never noticed that before!

 Lor:

"nothing good comes out of it"

 Mace:

“it’s gonna be the death of you, Sam”

 Mace:

 and he would know - i love the foreshadowing here

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

but I think it's accidentally amazing again. I don't think they knew they were gonna make him Gabe yet?

 Mace:

 I have no idea and I don’t want to think about it. I just want it to be on purpose because that would be beautiful

 Lor:

HA! Agreed

 Mace:

 THE HUG

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

and the way Dean says the how many tuesdays line this time in a knowing way. like he doesn't know WHAT'S up but he knows SOMETHING is up

 Mace:

 yeah

 Lor:

"clowns or midgets" again

 Lor:

the WRITING

 Mace:

omg the smile and the nod

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 omg Sammy’s teary face

 Lor:

ooooof

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 GAH

 Lor:

classic SPN where the first half is funny and the last half rips your heart out and stomps on it

 Mace:

 YEP

[watchingspnagain]

Rewatching All Hell Breaks Loose: Part 2

Welcome to “Damned DeanDean, Undead Stringbean, and Sad Poppa Bobby: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s2,e22: All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 2

 Dean breaks down at the thought of life without Sam and can’t handle the idea that he failed at his one job: to protect his little brother. He makes a deal with a crossroads demon to bring Sam back to life. The price? Dean will go to Hell in one year. Sam comes back to life, as promised, and seems fine, but he’s sus. As is Bobby. Of course they both sort what it is Dean did right quick (cause they aren’t DUMB), and they each separately and in their own ways try to convey to Dean that he’s worth so much more than he thinks he is. Meanwhile, demon stuff. Azazel uses Jake to open a gate to hell. The boys manage to kill Azazel, but hundreds of demons are let loose before they can get the gate shut again. John also escapes, pats Dean on the shoulder, nods at Sam, and ascends to Heaven. Swell.

  Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

  Mace:

 SIGH

 Lor:

 NOW we get the song

Mace: 

 YES

 Jensen is SO GOOD in this episode

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace: 

 the look he gives Bobby MY GOD

 Lor:

 "you don't think I've given enough?" Oh HON

 Mace: 

 right?!

 Lor:

 omg the SHOVE

the way they are looking at each other

 Mace: 

 the poor baby

 Lor:

 "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Please just go" I CANNOT

 Mace: 

 Bobby’s poor heart, too

 Lor:

 YES

 THE TEAR

 Mace: 

 one son dead and the other hurting so much

 Lor:

 those are HIS BOYS

 Mace: 

 YES

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace: 

 I can’t help but like Jake even if he did gank my Stringbean

 Lor:

 AGREED

 Mace: 

 “I just wanted you to be a kid”

AAAAAAAAHHHH

 Lor:

 "Dad didn't even have to tell me. it was always my responsibility" GAAAAH

 Mace: 

 “I had one job. and I screwed it up”

 Lor:

 "I had one job and I screwed it up" AND THE CRACKING VOICE I CANNOT

 Mace: 

 DEAN WINCHESTER NO

SOMEBODY HOLD HIM STAT

 Lor:

 DEAN BABY YOU ARE MORE THAN JUST YOUR BROTHER'S KEEPER

(Fuuuuuuuck 327)

 Mace: 

 (YEEEESSS)

 Lor:

 "what am I supposed to do"

 Mace: 

 the chin waivering

 Lor:

 GAAAAAAAAH

 Mace: 

 (wavering?)

 Lor:

 (lol. that one)

 Mace: 

 (I never remember)

 Lor:

 roaring baby mrrrrrrffffff

 Mace: 

 oh Dean honey no

 Lor:

 Do NOT DEAN MICHAEL WINCHESTER SO HELP ME I WILL SMACK YOU SO HARD

 Mace: 

 and thus starts the vicious circle

 Lor:

 YEP

 omg the sexual harassment vibe

 Mace: 

 YEP

 do NOT call his soul tarnished

 Lor:

 RIGHT?

 look, lady, if you think he's a turn off GET OUT OF LINE

 Mace: 

 HAHAHAHA

 Ooof that “Sammy?"

 Lor:

 YES

 and that HUG

 Mace: 

 YES

 Lor:

 Are important things happening here? bc I am very distracted by dean and his henley and his scruff and his freckles

 Mace: 

 YAS

and Sammy’s puppy eyes

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace: 

 and he’s HURTING

 Lor:

 YES

 OMG Bobby's face

 Mace: 

 oh Bobby

 Lor:

 And the look he gives Dean. like "oh we are SO talking about this later"

 Mace: 

 YES

 Lor:

 yeah Dean he has SOME BOOKS IN THE TRUCK

 Mace: 

 HAHAHA

You are gonna GET IT, DEAN

 Lor:

 YES

 Mace: 

 Papa Bobby is PISSED

 Lor:

 YES

 god Dean trying to joke and it's not working

 Mace: 

 oh Dean. OH DEAN

 Lor:

 yes, Bobby he is that screwed in the head

please hug him

 Mace: 

 poor Bobby

just think how much he must hate John right now

 Lor:

 "you can't tell him. you take a shot at me or whatever you gotta do, but please don't tell him"

I CANNOT

 YEP

 Mace: 

 YES

 Lor:

 omg the way Dean hugs her

 Mace: 

 yeah

 Lor:

 nope, Dean, the other Samuel Colt

 Mace: 

 snork!

 Lor:

 it's a radioshack. a radioshack is inside

 Mace: 

 HAHAHAHA

 Lor:

 who directed this ep? why all of a sudden we are up everyone's nose?

 Mace: 

 snork!

 Lor:

 "is that so?"

 Mace: 

 “be all you can be"

 I don’t like him, but he’s witty

 Lor:

 right?

 no no, Jake, the end of the world is S5

 Mace: 

 HA!

 Lor:

 shoulda shot him, Jake-o

 Mace: 

 YUP

 Lor:

 mrrrggg wee Dean Winchester behind a tombstone with a gun

WHY IS THAT HOT?

 Mace: 

 YAS

 Lor:

 the way Dean can't look Sam in the eyes

 Mace: 

 ope, cat’s out of the hellbag

 Lor:

 HAAAAHAHAHAHA

 Mace: 

 why didn’t he just make them all put their guns down with his mind?

 Lor:

 I was just wondering that myself

 Mace: 

 or have them all shoot themselves

 Lor:

 maybe there's a limit to his power?

I mean, NOW there is, but

 Mace: 

 snork!

 Lor:

 dang, Sammy

 Mace: 

 right?!

that’s probably fine

 Lor:

 ooooof the look on Dean's face and then Sammy wiping the blood off

 YEP. definitely fine

 Mace: 

 definitely

 if it’s a devil’s trap, how exactly are the demons breaking through it?

 Lor:

 right?

 Mace: 

 ooof DEAN

 Lor:

 sheer numbers? I dunno

 his poor pretty little head

 Mace: 

 maybe devil’s traps only work one way? and this one was to keep ’em out and away from the gate?

 Lor:

 oh maybe

 (their use of "ever" in "better deal than your dad ever got" makes me NUTS. it implies either John made several deals OR that John's deal was a LONG time ago. NEITHER IS TRUE)

 Mace: 

 ooof, yeah

 Lor:

 grumbles in copy editor

 Mace: 

 if Yellow Eyes were smart he wouldn’t have kept that gun loaded...

 Lor:

 right?

 PUSH HIM BACK IN!

 Mace: 

 you know how much I love this show, but there’s a lot of loosey goosey writing going on here

 HAAAAHAHAHAHA

 Lor:

 oh yeah there is

 a shoulder touch and some tears don't make the last 23 years okay JOHN

 Mace: 

 yeah, JOHN

 Lor:

 Target

he's at Target, Sammy

 Mace: 

 HA

 Lor:

 I need someone to clean up Dean's forehead

I VOLUNTEER

 Mace: 

 SNORK

 oh SAMMY

 he’s got the hurt puppy going ON

 Lor:

 "don't get mad at me. don't you do that." I CAN'T. Dean you're killing me. that's not fair, baby

 Mace: 

 “there’s nothing I wouldn’t do for you”

 Lor:

 oh my boys

 Mace: 

 YAS

 no one cares about you Ellen

go home

 Lor:

 lololololol

 Mace: 

 oh…WAIT

 Lor:

 seriously

haaaaaahahahahahahaha

 Mace: 

 too soon?

 Lor:

 "we've got work to do"

 Mace: 

 “we got work to do"

YAS

 Lor:

 I still CANNOT BELIEVE that (among other things) they did not take the opportunity to call back that line in the finale somehow

 Mace: 

 don’t they?

I thought they did

 it was definitely in the last few eps, right?

 Lor:

 do they? maybe like in the middle of the ep they do?

but I wanted like a reverse. "our work is done" or something. or "we have shit to do" and they close the trunk and they're at the beach or something

 Mace: 

 YES

 [after the episode had ended] 

 Lor:

 so, given that Dean actually did go to hell, I guess his deal is fulfilled and Cas pulling him out didn't count as wiggling out of it? cause while Dean was making his deal I had a truly AWFUL AU idea of Cas pulling him out and Sammy goes back to being dead because Dean didn't fulfill the deal

 Mace: 

 LOR, NO

WHY

 Lor:

 IT'S NOT MY FAULT

 Mace: 

 YOU’RE THROWING MY SAMMY BACK INTO DEAD

HOW VERY DARE

 Lor:

 I AM NOT

Demons. DEMONS, MACE

 Mace: 

YOU had the idea, LOR

but it’s okay because your precious DEAN is OKAY i guess

 Lor:

 whistles. looks around innocently

 Mace: 

 (I can just hear Cas chiming in with “well, Sam IS an abomination…”)

 Lor:

 (Haaaaaahahahahahaha)

[watchingspnagain]

Rewatching Sin City

Welcome to “Jensen’s Stupid-Good Acting, Jared’s Fantastic Befuddled Face, and a PSA on Hurricanes: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s3e4: Sin City

 Sam and Dean investigate a town that has recently turned into a hotbed of vice. They figure it must be a case of demon possession—or a case of multiple demon possessions—but the more they investigate, the less it seems any of the folks who’ve suddenly turned murderous or suicidal or what-have-you is possessed. Eventually the boys figure out that there are demons involved, but only two, and all they really did was start nudging people toward their bad sides. No possession needed. It’s another case of humans humaning at their worst, for the most part. The boys take out the demons and hope for the best. Along the way we meet an old hunting buddy of Dean’s and watch Dean have a heart-to-heart with one of the demons about his impending trip to Hell and whether it scares him. Spoiler alert: it does, but he’s clinging to pretending it don’t.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

  Lor:

 you hunt down those evil sons of bitches, Dean

 Mace:

 HA

 Lor:

 the SHOTS on this show sometimes. that stained glass window as a halo around Andy's head

 Mace:

you know, I though nuns would be made of stronger stuff than that

 YES

  Lor:

 right?

 one of my profs in college said "nuns may be married to god but they’re hell on wheels"

(I do not remember the context)

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHAHA

  Lor:

 Sam's laugh!

 Mace:

 YAAASSS

  Lor:

 "well it won't kill demons by then but I can promise it will kill you"

 Mace:

 I do love Sam in a tie

  Lor:

 I want the Dad!Bobby and His Sons Dean and Sam Annoy Each Other show

 Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 daaaw the pre-suits

 Mace:

 YAS

 if Sam’s a Buffett fan, I’m gonna have to do something about that

  Lor:

 HA!

please do

 omg Dean's face

 Mace:

 the juxtaposition of “this is my sister” and “this is my brother” is kind of hilarious

  Lor:

 HAHAHAHAHAH YES

 "until I came along your ass was toast"

 "fyi Winchester words hurt"

 omg

 Mace:

 SNORK

  Lor:

 omg the magic fingers his SMILE

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 omg Dean and Sam having to pull him away

 Mace:

 YESYES

 ooof hurricanes

  Lor:

 "i do now"

 no idea what it is

 Mace:

 the reason I don’t remember an entire section of my trip to NOLA

  Lor:

 HA!

did it taste good at least?

 poor Sam. he's twitchy

 Mace:

 I…don’t remember

But I’m guessing yes

 he IS twitchy. he needs soothing

  Lor:

 "what a thrill"

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 wow (i just have no experience with this)

 he DOES

do you volunteer?

 Mace:

 yeah, part of my ‘wild’ days

 I DO VOLUNTEER

  Lor:

 I AM SHOCKED

 Mace:

 “toys trump oils” THIS GUY

  Lor:

 "yeah, no, toys trump oils" haaaaahahaha

   Lor:

   Mace:

 HAHAHAHAHA

 (we HAVE to watch that movie together)

  Lor:

 (YES)

  Mace:

 HAHAHA

 welp, Dean was right - that guy can’t handle the job

 Mace:

 ope, Dean’s worried so he’s not eating!

  Lor:

 yyyep

 YEP

he's adorable

  Bobby smells like old spice and sawdust, I just know it

 Mace:

 ugh, LAUREN

 OMG YES YES HE DOES

and motor oil

  Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 (old spice and motor oil is my dad 100%)

  Lor:

 (NICE. yep, old spice and oil or dust or gas--very competent older man smell. so comforting)

 Mace:

 (VERY comforting)

  Lor:

 look at his DUMB PROFILE

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 "I just told her I had a thing for the bartender"

 Mace:

 SO SMOOTH

  Lor:

 is that a hurricane?

 I need to go look it up now

 Mace:

 it’s a small one if so

maybe they’re just giant in NOLA

  Lor:

 interwebs says it's popular in NOLA so maybe

looks like it's fruit juice, rum, and sugar

 Mace:

 “oh god” ADORABLE SAMMY

  Lor:

 OMG SAM

 Mace:

yeah that sounds about right

it’s the rum that’ll get ya

  Lor:

 "minor misunderstanding"

 Mace:

 SNORK

  Lor:

 "have a nice day?" HIS FACE

 yep. and with the sugar

 Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 my mom always told me to never drink sweet alcoholic drinks. shrug

 LOOKIT him standing there with his hands in his pockets

 Mace:

 that’s pretty much the only kind I will drink

don’t tell your mom

 YES and he’s SO SMART

  Lor:

 see, right? if i was gonna drink, I would WANT a sweet one

well. this is when I went to college. I don't think she'd have an opinion now

 "so are you. bitch"

 Mace:

 it was smart advice - with the sweet ones you don’t know until it’s too late that you’re hammered and at a college party, that can be…not good

 YES

  Lor:

 yeah

 ah Dean

 "having a little trouble there, sport?"

 "and, uh, he did pay attention in class"

 "everyone?"

 oh Dean, honey, you're just as smart as Sammy

 Mace:

 Yes you are, Dean. pets him

  Lor:

 "her place. for bible study"

 Mace:

 HA

  Lor:

 Sammy is giving very good slightly confused face in this episode

 Mace:

 YES HE IS

he’s adorable

  Lor:

 YEP

 and Dean is looking exceptionally pretty

 Mace:

 HE IS

  Lor:

 "I don't know. I'd like to" OMG

 Mace:

 I have trouble with Dean still not really believing in god at this point. how is there no god if there are all these demons who are allergic to churchspeak in Latin

  Lor:

 yeah, I agree, but his angst over it as he starts to find out that there is a god and he's negligent at best and evil at worst punches me in the feels

 Mace:

 oh well sure

 “what’s it like down there” oh DEAN HONEY

  Lor:

 "speaking of downstairs. what's it like down there?"

*WRAPS HIM IN SOFT THINGS"

 Mace:

 YES

he’s trying to look so casual about it, poor tiger

  Lor:

 YES

 "it's like a family business" SNORK

 Mace:

 YAS

 Sammy, dude, read this guy. he’s EVIL

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

 "sitting here like a couple of regular folk"

 Mace:

 yeah

 oh Dean

  Lor:

 omg his breathing gets heavier as he says "nah of course not" JENSEN

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!

He’s acts the crap out of this episode

  Lor:

 YES

which is awesome cause it COULD be phoned in. it's just a lot of talking. but he makes it MATTER

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 "that's okay. hey, I barely respect you now"

 Mace:

 SNORK

  Lor:

 YES

 "thank god for that" pets him

 Mace:

 YEP

  Lor:

 "I was ready to follow Sam" that's gotta be a whole lotta weird feels for Dean

 Mace:

 RIGHT?! his second worst nightmare

  Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 BOBBY!!

 YAS

  Lor:

 oh man I LOVE that Dean saying "Sammy be careful" tells Sam something's WRONG. that it's not just a throwaway

 YES Bobbyyyyyy

 Mace:

 YES

for all their trouble with communicating, in some ways they’re very good at it

  Lor:

 YES

when it's about work and/or when it's something they can ritualize (like having codes or something), it's effortless for them

 Dean's FACE when he says "you two?"

 Mace:

 YES and YES

 ooof that worried look on Dean’s face when Sam kills the girl

  Lor:

 YES

 "humans ain’t our job"

 Mace:

 YEP

  Lor:

 lookit him in his Dad's too big leather jacket over his adorable tiny self

 Mace:

 YES

 omg the lip quiver when he’s asking Bobby about Sam

  Lor:

 "you think... you think something's wrong with my brother?" that's it, that's the show

 YAAAAS

 Mace:

 I mean, Jesus, Jensen.

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

 Mace:

 yet it’s still not enough to make Lauren’s horrible acting palatable

  Lor:

 he SHOWS UP for every dang scene. it's amazing

 NOPE

 "oh I see" and Jared's managing pretty well given he doesn't have much to play off of

 Mace:

 YES HE IS

  Lor:

 "that little fallen angel on your shoulder"

 Mace:

 YAAASSS

  Lor:

 I get so caught up in "oh god Dean's gonna go to hell" that I forget that there's all this "is Sam really out of the woods of becoming the boy king of hell" stuff going on

  Mace:

Right?! So much happening

[watchingspnagain]

Rewatching In My Time of Dying

Welcome to "Do You Think Sam Knows 'Light As a Feather, Stiff As a Board' Too?: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog" with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s2,e1: In My Time of Dying

 All three Winchesters experience their own Supernatural cold open when they are rushed to the hospital after that crazy-surprise crash at the end of last season. Sam and John are superficially banged up, but Dean is in a coma and the predicted outcome isn't great. He spends most of the episode out of body, trying to beat the reaper who's after him. Meanwhile Sam and John butt heads, as per usual, and also as per usual, John goes off to do what he sees as The Hero Bit without telling Sam anything about it. We witness our first Winchester-thinking-a-deal-with-a-demon-is-the-best-option, and it has the same kind of outcome it always does: other Winchesters are pissed and sad and in the end the deal doesn't really do much good. Awesome, John. Great job, as always. But for now, Dean is saved and safe, although more emotional damage has been dealt. Sigh

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Lor:

oooo, it's gonna be the Dean wandering around in jimjams, I mean hospital clothes, episode

 Mace:

 Ha! yep

Lor:

(I watched an S11 ep last night where Sam references Dean and John out after vamps when they were kids and we just watched that ep where John said he thought vamps were extinct and I was more annoyed by that inconsistency than is reasonable)

 Mace:

 (I would be too)

 Lor:

oh, my beat up boys

(not you, John)

 Mace:

ha!

 poor Sammy

 Lor:

yeah

god LOOK AT HIM

 Mace:

 yeah

 Lor:

(I will forgive the nonsense of a car accident victim being dressed like that in the hospital because it looks so good)

 Mace:

 how many times are the boys the subject of the cold open, I wonder? Not very often, I think?

 Lor:

yeah, not often

and... hmm. Every one I can THINK of involves one or both of them being dead or we're worried they are

 Mace:

 that makes sense, since the cold opens are all about people dying

 Lor:

oh. YEP. they are

wow, I never... thought of that

 Mace:

taps forehead

always thinkin'. that's me

 Lor:

LOLOL

YES

 Mace:

 YOU TELL HIM SAMMY

 Lor:

oh JEEZ. hold me back from going RIGHT through the TV and strangling John

LIAR

"well you sure know something"

 Mace:

yep

I love Sammy saving the impala for Dean

 Lor:

YES

he understands that Baby is Dean. UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE

 Mace:

 YUP

 Lor:

"I gave you everything I ever had" OH DEAN

 Mace:

"what the hell kind of father are you?"

There you go, Dean. THAT'S the question

 Lor:

hold on to that feeling, baby.

 Mace:

 banged up and angry Sam is sending me someplace

 Lor:

yyyep

"Dean is dying and you have a plan"

omg, Dean is pissed at John and heartbroken and he's STILL trying to get between John and Sam

 Mace:

DO NOT PUT THAT ON SAMMY, JOHN

JFC

 Lor:

RIGHT?!

"now what?"

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

poor Dean. he's having a day

 Mace:

 yep. Sammy too

 Lor:

yep

 Mace:

 but honestly, that's sort of the show

 Lor:

lol. it IS

aw, listen to him rattling off lore

 Mace:

 he pays attention when Sammy talks. Adorable

 Lor:

LOLOLOLOLOL

hey now

LIAR

 Mace:

 YUP

 Lor:

"you can either roll over and die or you can fight"

 Mace:

 "you always have a choice” FUCK 327

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Mace:

 (327? I can't remember the number)

 Lor:

it's like when they wrote the finale someone erased every episode of the show from their minds

 Mace:

 yup

 Lor:

don't sit on a hospital floor! gaaaaah

 Mace:

 ha! honestly it's prolly pretty clean?

 Lor:

Dean would only ever do this when he's a spirit, my little germophobe

 Lor:

shudders

nopenopenope

 Mace:

 Sammy's relieved reaction is adorable

 Lor:

YES

that gives me the SHIVERS even though we already KNOW that's what's happening

 Mace:

"you can't kill death" HAHAHAHAHA

Oh Dean, honey

 Lor:

lolololololol

 Mace:

 yeah, this is a pretty great episode

 Lor:

YEP

spirit!Dean framed in the tubes supporting his body

 Mace:

 yeah cool

 Lor:

"thanks for not giving up on me, Sammy" sobs

"you know, you read the most interesting things" THUD

 Mace:

 HA

 Lor:

omg that shiver when she touches him

 Mace:

yeah

the yellow eyes are so gross. sort of milky and just EW

 Lor:

right?

"we were just starting to be brothers again" oooof

 Mace:

 "we were just starting to be brothers again" omg Sam

 Lor:

YES

uh, he was in a car accident

how is that a warrior's death?

 Mace:

 well the enemy did stage the crash...

 Lor:

okay, I’ll allow it

poor Tessa. Doin’ some of her best work

 Mace:

 HA!

 Lor:

why does John do this? because he thinks Dean will have a better chance of helping Sam not turn evil than he does?

or is it bc he's afraid someone's gonna have to kill Sam to stop that and he's gonna leave that mess for Dean cause he can't do it himself?

or... wait. I guess originally he wasn't planning on bargaining with his own life

nevermind

pay attention, Lor

 Mace:

 Hm. I think he thinks it's what a father is supposed to do and it's heroic so that fits with what he's actually willing to do

 Lor:

Dean's "what are you doing that for?" like he was getting okay with the idea and then he got scared

 Mace:

 YES THERE IS AN ANGEL WATCHING OVER HIM

 Lor:

THERE IS

 Mace:

"well that's specific"

YOU TELL HIM SAMMY

 Lor:

lol

YES TELL HIM

 Mace:

 that cryptic shit is so tired

 Lor:

yep

Sammy, you tell him, then take your brother and get away from him

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

THAT IS NOT A POSITIVE MEMORY FOR DEAN, JOHN

CORRECT

 Mace:

YUP

it's too little too late, but at least it's something, I guess?

 Lor:

"it this really you talking?" OMG

 Mace:

RIGHT?!

"why are you saying this stuff?" = "that sounds like a goodbye" and omg Dean Winchester you sad little muffin

 Lor:

OMG YOU'RE RIGHT

EVERYONE DIES ON HIM and they just KEPT DOING IT instead of FINISHING THE STORY

 Mace:

 admission of tender feelings is always followed by loss for him and that's so flipping tragic

 Lor:

YEP

 [after the episode ended:]

Lor:

(the part of me that has a PhD in creative writing is INCANDESCENTLY peeved at the ABJECT failure of storytelling that was the finale. like, other parts of me are sad and hurt and other squishy ow feelings, but that bit? wants to THROW DOWN)

 Mace:

AGREED. I am hurt for the characters but I am LIVID at the shitty writing

 Lor:

EXACTLY

it's just especially galling that they had something pretty excellent set up and some awesome parallels right THERE. and just... nonsense. Tragic blither that ignored fifteen years of character development and themes

 Mace:

YUP. It seems almost spitefully done. Like, fuck you and your fancy story arcs and show development maturity, I want to revert back to the macho bullshit This Show Is Only About The Boys nonsense and fuck all if it doesn’t even make logical sense.

 Lor:

Ug YEP

And the thing is, if they wanted to kill off Dean in a stupid mundane way and have the whole show really just be an interlude in Sam's life before he ended up doing pretty much just what he would have otherwise (I think this always would have been a dumb ending, but if they ACTIVELY WANTED THAT), they could have set up S15 in a way that made that WORK as an ending. Something with inevitability and fate and God/Chuck and no longer being the heroes and etc BUT THEY DIDN'T DO THAT EITHER

 Mace:

NOPE

in every way possible that last ep feels like a shitty writer went rogue

 Lor:

Yep

It feels like the shitty first draft of a workshop story by a third-year undergrad who thinks tragedy and fatalism are automatically substantive and Art

 Mace:

 Yes. Who also feels threatened by the more talented women in the room and listens to Led Zeppelin because he knows he’s supposed to think they’re cool. And doesn’t actually understand why

 Lor:

SNORK

[watchingspnagain]

Rewatching Children Shouldn’t Play with Dead Things

Welcome to “Accidentally Amazing: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s2e4: Children Shouldn’t Play with Dead Things.

  Sammy wants to visit their mom’s grave, and Dean is not about it. He grumpily tags along, but he comes up with a mystery in the graveyard. Convenient—avoid those feelings! Sam thinks that’s *exactly* what Dean is doing, and it takes a bit for him to get on board. But weirdly recurring dead plants, sightings of someone who should be dead, and strangely connected deaths eventually convince him. The boys discover some pretty skeezy necromancy nonsense from a college boy resurrecting the girl he loved and along the way meet a humanities professor who must have made a demon deal for that office and yell at each other about their feelings some. In the end, as they are leaving town, Dean pulls Baby off the side of the road, and the boys perch on her hood while Dean tearfully confesses to Sam that he’s sure John sacrificed himself so Dean could live and that he can’t bear it.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

  Mace:

 "I'm dealing with dad's death!" and then cut to him power sawing a dude's head off

  Lor:

 ooof YEP

so your laugh for today: I picked up the remote and turned on the TV and then I set it down somewhere and COULD NOT FIND IT. just me, spinning around in the living room doing a head tilt like "I JUST HAD IT"

 Mace:

 HAHAHA if it was actually in your hand, then BEEN THERE

  Lor:

 LOLOL

I do that with my phone ALL THE TIME

 Mace:

 I once spent an entire conversation on the phone with my mom quietly...looking for my phone

 HAHAHAHA OMG

  Lor:

 lololololololol

 the remote was just... wait for it: on the arm of the couch

SO HARD TO SEE

 Mace:

 oh sure 

  Lor:

 mmmm Baby rumble

 Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 WHO IS THIS UNCLE

 Mace:

 right?!

  Lor:

 WHY DID HE NOT CHECK ON HIS NEPHEWS

 Mace:

 exactly

 you've never been awkward at small talk, Dean, like, ever

  Lor:

 these two honestly had the WORST male relatives

 LOL

 Mace:

 YUP

 Sammy, dude, bury that a little more maybe?

  Lor:

 lol

 Mace:

 Dean's v-neck and his rolled-up sleeves...

  Lor:

 YES

 ope, feelings HANG ON A MYSTERY. whew. saved

 Mace:

 HAHAHAH YAS

 Also? Dean would never have walked into a dead circle like that unwittingly

  Lor:

 NOPE

 and what is that other necklace he's wearing?

 Mace:

 what other necklace?

  Lor:

 he had like a chain in that other scene

 Mace:

 oh wait i see it now

  Lor:

 oh you can JUST see it here

yeah

 Mace:

 if only we could just hook a finger underneath it and pull it out...

  Lor:

 IF ONLY

 Mace:

 (just kilt myself)

  Lor:

 (lololol)

 Mace:

 oh right, the "professor of Greek Studies" who has a ginormous office

  Lor:

 SNORK

 Mace:

 most unlikely thing that ever happens on this show, hands down

  Lor:

 YEP

 Sammy's "come on, Dean" face

 Mace:

 vampires? sure. demons? okay. Lucifer as a hoot? no problem. a well-appointed Classics office? I draw the line.

  Lor:

 CORRECT

 Mace:

 YES to Sam's face

and I love his shirt

  Lor:

 for me it's when they draw blood by putting a needle not in a vein

 Mace:

 and his stupid messy hair

  Lor:

 YAS

 Mace:

 nope, still more possible than a well-budgeted humanities department

  Lor:

 hahahahahahah fair

  Lor:

 look, Sam, you aren't wrong, but also? a perfect circle of dead grass?

 Mace:

 Sammy's tendency toward counseling shining through here

 HAHAHA YEP

  Lor:

 omg Sammy's soft voice when he says "Dean, where you going?"

 Mace:

 YES

 OH. I just remembered what this ep is about. ick.

  Lor:

 yeeeah

 Mace:

 she's not also the woman who plays whatsherbucket, is she?

Lisa? Linda?

  Lor:

 Lisa? I don't think so but the resemblance is WILD

 Mace:

 "waiwaiwaiwait"

I love it when Dean does that

  Lor:

 YES

  Lor:

 aw, Alan Stanwyck, you're so cute

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!

 "great."

HAHAHA

  Lor:

 the handing the tissue hahahahahaha

 Mace:

 YES

Sammy would be so much better at this

 Lor:

 lol he would

omg Dean's face. it's so DUMB I LOVE IT

 Mace:

OMG LOR I WAS JUST THINKING THAT

 Mace:

 his stupid perfect lower lip

  Lor:

 LOLOL OMG YAS US

 YES

 the face he made at Sam when he came in

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 this is why Sam interrupts him and Cas. payback

 Mace:

 HAAAAHAHAHAHA OMG

  Lor:

 Matt was the only douche fratboy dudebro in history with a bunch of plants in his apartment

 Mace:

 SNORK YES

  Lor:

 the things Dean quotes

 Mace:

 yeah

  Lor:

 omg these two

 Mace:

 I looked that one up recently and it's not whence I thought it would be

i was disappointed

  Lor:

 their brother banter. I luff

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 is this the one we all think is Shakespeare and it's not?

 that's probably fine

 Mace:

 yeah. I thought it was a reference to Medea and lots of people think it's Shakespeare but it's Congreve, I guess

 Mace:

 "what are these" NOT GREEK

  Lor:

 ah. well. Congreve. of course

 LOLOLOLOLOL

  Lor:

 take a breath, Dean, honey

 Mace:

 oh DEAN

  Lor:

 "what's dead should stay dead" huh?

 Mace:

 two times over he thinks he doesn't deserve it

  Lor:

 YEP

 Mace:

 which time coming back from the dead does he kind of give this up? I mean I know never actually, but it stops being a main spoken theme at some point

  Lor:

 poor Prof Mason. does he ever find out what was going on with the poor guy who was having some kind of strange breakdown in his living room?

who is calmed by plants?

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA yeah

  Lor:

 omg his swallowing

 Mace:

 YES and Sam's DIMPLE

  Lor:

 "I hear you. I’m being an ass. I'm sorry" I need some people to put that on a card and remember they can say it sometimes

 Mace:

 "our lives are weird, man"

  Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 oo, good question back there

he certainly does not have that attitude by the time Mary comes back

 Mace:

 I mean mostly about himself yeah?

  Lor:

 mmm yeah

  Lor:

 "feed their hearts to wild dogs. that's my personal favorite"

 Mace:

 SNORK!

 DUCKY LOVE OMG DEAN WINCHESTER

  Lor:

 lololol

 Mace:

 He loves Pretty in Pink

  Lor:

 is that… a Sixteen Candles ref

 Mace:

 I'm pretty sure it's PiP

  Lor:

 okay. whichever one is it, OMG DEAN

 Mace:

 (just looked, it's PiP)

 AND YES

  Lor:

 there is no media he will not watch and I LOVE THAT

 Mace:

 YUP

 "it takes two to..." HAHAHA

  Lor:

 it is such a cool little character thing and it makes sense given how much time he probably spent as a kid in a motel room with nothing to do but watch whatever was on the tv

 lolol

 Mace:

 oh AGREED

and I suspect that it's unintentional - just funny clever references the writers slipped in - but yes it makes Dean that much more layered

  Lor:

 (Dean watches Hallmark Christmas movies. all December. definitely)

 YEP

so much of the show is like that

accidentally amazing

 Mace:

 (ABSOLUTELY)

 agreed.

 "your girlfriend's past her expiration date"

  Lor:

 "past their expiration date"

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

  Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

  Lor:

 boy John sure fucked Dean up

 Mace:

 YUP

that's the show

  Lor:

 LOL

YES

“They fuck you up your mom and dad, they don't mean to but they do...”

course John didn't so much not mean to as just... not think about anything ever

 Mace:

 think Dean reads Larkin?

  Lor:

 absolutely

 Mace:

 prolly

  Lor:

 there's a second false button in Baby's trunk that not even Sam knows about and it's just all of Dean's books

 Mace:

HAHAHAHA YES

 Mace:

 Every time they visit Bobby, Bobby manages somehow to sneak a new volume in there for Dean. Neither ever speak of it.

  Lor:

 OMG YES

 Mace:

 Ope, buhbye, Neal

  Lor:

 LOLOLOL

don't let your creepy necromancy hit you on the way out

 Mace:

 SNORK

 Mace:

 Warren (Buffy) is still WAAAY worse

  Lor:

 YEP

 Mace:

 the...bodily sounds in this ep are extra ew

  Lor:

 they really are

 Mace:

 omg the knee slide

  Lor:

 omg Dean's slide into the grave

 Mace:

 HAHAHA YAS

  Lor:

 YES

 oh Dean, honey

 Mace:

 YUP

 Mace:

 "pretty sharp"

  Lor:

 YES

 you weren't actually dead, baby. it's okay

 Mace:

 (not yet at least)

  Lor:

 (yeah)

 Mace:

 the way he looks away from Mary's grave and walks head half down to the car

GAH

  Lor:

 YES

 the way this particular episode is bookended by Mary's grave is really interesting when you know that she’s gonna come back later

 Mace:

 oh YES great point!

  Lor:

 accidentally amazing

 Mace:

 HAHAHA YES

  Lor:

 omg DEEEEEAN

 Mace:

 YESYESYES

  Lor:

 there's his DUMB FACE again

 Mace:

 DO NOT CRY, DEAN DO NOT

I CANNOT TAKE IT

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

  Lor:

 if Dean and Willow cried in front of me at the same time, I would in fact cease to exist

 Mace:

 CORRECT

  Lor:

 "you wanted to know how I was feeling. well, that's it. what could you possibly say to me to make that all right?"

 Mace:

 the way Sam looks at him, SO CONCERNED because this isn't NORMAL for Dean

  Lor:

 diiiiiiies

 YES

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 and the way he knows it from the MOMENT he pulls the car over

and it just gets worse and worse

holds them both

 Mace:

 YES

 also: his way of paying respect to his mom is to work the case and Sam's is to talk to her

  Lor:

 YES

[watchingspnagain]

Rewatching Faith

Welcome to “Faith Healer Karens and Heretical Cookies: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s1e12: Faith

While saving a pair of children from a monster, Dean receives an electric shock that severely damages his heart—like, gonna die super soon damages. Dean is kind of *shrug*, but Sammy is fired up. He’s gonna find a way to save his brother, to the tune of tracking down every rumor of faith healers and whatnot he can. (Fifteen years later he can’t even dial 911, but sure, fine, whatever.) Sam does find a faith healer; Dean, all adorable in a sweatshirt, labels the whole thing hinky; then Dean does get healed—whaaat? Whoops, turns out the healer is using a captive Reaper to exchange the life of someone innocent, healthy, and not ready to die for whomever he’s saving. The boys have to figure out who’s really controlling the Reaper and how to stop them, all while Dean navigates the pain, grief, and guilt of knowing that shutting the healer down means the sweet woman he met who’s dying of a brain tumor will, in fact, die.

Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here.  Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

Lor:

 I love this episode so much

 Mace:

 yeah it's a good one

especially looking backward post-Cas

 Lor:

 yep

Mace:

 all that crisis of faith nonsense just needed an angel in a trenchcoat who boops you on the forehead

 Lor:

 YES

 oh. i just realized. this episode now makes me go "fuck 327" REAL hard

 Mace:

 ope yep I thought about that too

 Lor:

 because they do "mundane thing (almost) kills Dean" here SO MUCH BETTER

 Mace:

 because THIS IS HOW SAM ACTUALLY WOULD RESPOND

 Lor:

 ALSO THAT

 Mace:

 yep

 Lor:

 HANNAH!

 I mean, not-Hannah, but HANNAH

 Mace:

 YES

 "we can't work miracles"

 Lor:

 "we can't work miracles"

 sobs

   daytime TV is terrible, is it, Jensen?

 Mace:

 ha!

 Lor:

 "I swear I'll haunt your ass"

   "aw, it's a little funny"

 Mace:

 adorable

 Lor:

 oh god fuuuuuuck 327

 AND FUCK JOHN

 Mace:

 "burial or cremation" aw, come on, you know you'd get a hunter's burial

 Lor:

 RIGHT?

 the way Sammy's got jiggly leg on this phone call

 Mace:

 oh Sammy

 Lor:

 I just want to hold him

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

 SWEATSHIRT!DEAN

 Mace:

 RIGHT?! Like, he never wears those

 is this his version of Buffy dungarees?

 Lor:

 OMG YES

he needs a hug and he won't ask for one so he wears a sweatshirt

  THE MUD

  "I believe I said a specialist" aw, lawyer Sammy

 Mace:

 HAHA YES

 oh Darla

 Lor:

 "I think you just turned me around on the subject" DEAN WINCHESTER

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

 Dean, baby, you can't even get out of a car, honey

 Mace:

 he wouldn't need to - Baby's backseat has seen things

 Lor:

HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 Sam making him sit up front

 Mace:

 one of my favorite things about pre-Cas SPN is the tension between what they do/what they know is real and Dean's faith crisis and Sammy's blind belief

 Lor:

 YES

 he already thinks HE DOESNT DESERVE TO BE SAVED

 "I didn't pick you, Dean, the lord did" I mean JEEZ

 Mace:

 hm, I think right now it's unbelief, but once he is healed, yep

and then when he finds out someone else died because he was healed? oof Dean Guilt Overdrive

 Lor:

 mmm, maybe both? like, nope, it's not real, but if it IS, someone else should get it

 YEP

 "no they don't"

 Mace:

 YUP

 Lor:

 Dean asking Sam to have faith in HIM

 Mace:

 which was all sarcasm of course

 Lor:

 yeah

 "when did the miracles start" like they're a disease

 Mace:

 Cas comes along and has complete faith in Dean and Dean cannot suss it out AT ALL

 Lor:

 omg YES

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

 it's like a ramped up "undone by kindness" trope and I LOVE IT

 Mace:

 YEP

 Lor:

 "what did you see in my heart" I can't

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

 (as we are rewatching I am noticing just how much people of color are literally on the margins of the narrative in so many of these episodes)

 Mace:

 (YEP)

 Lor:

 the look on Dean's face and then the way he just goes right to asking Layla what's wrong instead of engaging with the mom

 Mace:

 well, who would want to talk to that Karen

 Lor:

 HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 I was just about to say that if you're Karening at a faith healer, you got some soul searching to do

 Mace:

 SHE WANTS TO SPEAK TO THE MANAGER

  HAHAHA

 Lor:

 Sammy apologizing before anything else squishes him

 Mace:

 YES

 and he looks so cuddly in that hoodie

 Lor:

 he does

 Mace:

 I love that the reaper looks like this and I wish they didn't change to normal-looking people later

 Lor:

 agreed

 wow, that dude getting healed reminds me SO MUCH of scene in Star Trek V

 Mace:

 mmm I don't know the ST movies really. I've only seen them once, I think, each

 Lor:

 I'll tell ya later

 Mace:

 k

 ope here we go with Dean and the black and white

 Lor:

 a guy playing god is a monster in Dean's book

 YEP

 Mace:

 we need to keep track of how he and Sammy flip-flop on this issue because they really do

 Lor:

 yeah

 Mace:

 I suspect there's a pattern with Dean somehow

 Lor:

 yeah

 one of Roy's parishioners needs to step up and trim those bushes for him

 Mace:

 snork

 when is it okay to kill a human and when is it really not, because I'm sure I remember Dean protesting against it at some point

 Lor:

 oh yeah, he for sure does

 and then there's the boys' flipflopping on when it's not okay to kill a monster

 Mace:

 yep

I put all that in the same category

 Lor:

 yeah

 Mace:

 because Dean is calling this dude a monster

 Lor:

 yeah

 also, he doesn't seem to have any problem with the reaper

 Mace:

 so it's more a question of at what shade of monster is it okay to gank

 Lor:

 yeah

 ooof I forgot that Dean LITERALLY has to stop Layla from getting healed

 Mace:

 yep

 yeah, well, I think reapers are more just part of the natural order of things? and don't they explore that notion later on, too? Like, it's VERY counterproductive to stop a reaper from their work

 Lor:

 well sure

but what makes them different from vampires then?

or werewolves?

or anything?

 Mace:

 because without them no one could die when they're supposed to

that sort of natural order

the necessary kind

 Lor:

 no I know what you mean

 Mace:

 then I don't know what your point is then, I guess?

 Lor:

 but from Dean's pov, if he doesn't have faith in a power, why does he see the reapers as a thing that's doing a job and that's okay?

 ooof, Dean's nod when she starts yelling like he's attacking her

 ooo Karen is DISAPPOINTED

 Mace:

 it doesn't seem to be a matter of faith for him

 Lor:

 I guess I wonder where any sense of people dying when they're "supposed to" comes from if he has no faith system?

 Mace:

 but maybe none of that is actually in this ep just yet. there's only one monster of the week and it's the pastor's wife here, controlling the dark power and not the dark power itself

 Lor:

 yeah

 Mace:

 yeah, again, I just think we're getting ahead of the characterization here

that notion isn't in play yet

 Lor:

 yeah, I suspect so

 "hey! gonna put that fear a god in me?" OMG Dean

 Mace:

 oh come on, cops wouldn't just drop everything and give chase like that

 Lor:

 nope

 Mace:

 that's just silly

 Lor:

 definitely not both of them

 clever Dean

 Mace:

 yep

 the tragedy of this episode is that she marks Dean to die to save Layla, and Dean wouldn't actually argue, to be honest

 Lor:

 YEP

 Mace:

 I mean, he's been arguing for that sort of thing to be the just thing all along

 Lor:

 yep

 Mace:

 he...doesn't run from the reaper...

 Lor:

 nope

 and the fact that her sense of who's wicked and who isn't is so TWISTED. like, obviously, given her black altar, sacrificial garbage, but she's also just picking HORRIBLY

 Mace:

 yeah

 Lor:

 bye, SueAnn

 Mace:

 omg when the reaper smiles

 CREEPY

 Lor:

 don't trip on your hypocrisy on your way out

 YEP

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

 the Impala door creeeeeeaks

 Mace:

 HA!

 Lor:

 ooof, Dean

 Mace:

 Aw, SAMMY

 Lor:

 YES

a beautiful brotherly moment

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

 THIS SCENE

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

 both of them, I just. it's so sad and tender and and and

 Mace:

 yeah

 Mace:

 although her blind faith...irritates me

 Lor:

aaauuuugh she touches his head

 "I'm not the praying type, but I'm gonna pray for you" HIS FACE

 Mace:

 yeah

  [after the episode ended:]

Lor:

 hmm. it... doesn't bother me. I think because it seems so contained in self for her? she's not trying to put it on anyone else

 Mace:

 that's fair. It just seems overly simplistic on a number of levels

 it's likely more me than the character or the writing - people who subscribe to the blind faith thing just baffle me in general

 Lor:

 huh. it seems peaceful to me. I am so often very annoyed by blind faith stuff, but she doesn't bug me

 Mace:

 no, she's not annoying herself, really. it's the notion of God Works in Mysterious Ways that irritates the crap out of me. Okay, you're terminal and you're at peace with it - that's commendable and I love that, but it should be inner peace and personal strength not blindly believing in some dude in a robe in the sky deciding that ope, you get a brain tumor now be happy about it because I WORK IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS

 Lor:

maybe it's that they don't' get into any theological or practical specifics that lets it work for me? and because I feel like for Dean it's so much about finding SOMETHING to have faith in

 Mace:

 yep, I'd love that to, but, she does actually say the mysterious ways thing and goes and ruins it

 Lor:

 iiiinteresting. see, I think "dude in a robe in the sky" is a fundamental misunderstanding of the theology. I know a LOT of people, when they say "god works in mysterious ways" DO mean "big sky daddy knows best," but I'm not sure that's really what's "supposed" to be at the heart of that kind of faith. I think it's a lot more like Tolkien's "despair is for those who know the end beyond all doubt and we do not." like, we just don't know enough to KNOW. I don't get sky-daddy vibes from Layla. Though I suspect the writers expect most of the general audience to assume that's what she's talking about

 Mace:

 the setting suggests fundamental christians are the ones in that tent, though, I'd argue

 Lor:

 for sure. I think the reason the episode works for me is that the setting and the atmosphere and the STUFF of the episode says "fundamental christians" but the writing of Layla leaves room to not read her that way. (it's interesting to contrast her with her mom.) which is kind of a brilliant move on the part of the show. I suspect it works for a really broad spectrum of viewers where with a slightly different presentation it could really NOT

 Mace:

 Ah. Okay. I think you are much more tolerant of such things than I am then. As I said, it works okay for me until she vomits out the platitude about god and his mysterious ways and then I’m out.

 Lor:

 Fair

I also grew up NOT having to deal with anyone who did the platitudes thing? So I may just be a little more tolerant of it because I didn't really ever have any bad experiences with religious folks in my most impressionable years

 Mace:

 Ah, sure. And I grew up getting kicked out of Sunday school classes for questioning all sorts of things

 Lor:

 WHAT? gives baby!Mace cookies and hunts down a Sunday school teacher to hit them about the ears

 Mace:

 munches cookies heretically

 Lor:

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA